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BoardsJan 02, 2011


At first look, some of your suggestions sound excellent. However, there are many laws that would prohibit some of your suggestions. First, barring a broker from participating in sales in a building because residents didn't like his market analysis or amount the unit sold for could easily fall into a restraint of trade category. If you set a floor price it could be injurious to someone in difficult financial straits who must sell immediately, or an estate sale, or, someone transferred for business. No one should ever have the right to dictate how much I can sell somethng for. The board should not have the responsibility to set prices for any reason unless the board is willing to buy the apartment at the discouned price and then resell it, then the owner would not be injured. A sale is based on two people, buyer and seller coming together on terms that are agreeable to both. A low sale prce in a co op has no more impact than a low sale price on a one family house on a street with other property for sale. Condition, supply and demand and most of all each parties individual situation dictates what will be agreeable, not boards and neighbors. Every owner has the right to say no if they feel the price is too low and every buyer the same if the price is too high. Would you also set a maximum price. If you don't, when the market picks up there will be an overabundance of apartments for sale and that could look like there is something wrong with the building.

I have forty years of real estate experience and can assure you that the number one reason a house doesn't sell is because it is over priced. The three most important words in real estate are not location,location,location, but rather, price, price, price. Whatever the location if it is priced well it will eventually sell. Let's not interfere with a free market unless you are prepared to buy at the low price and resell at what you consider a "fair market price"

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Boards - Steve-Inwood Jan 02, 2011


Hi Dianne,

I respect your posts a lot. What about the remaining shareholders who are very likely injured by a sale such as this? Per my original post, the corporation owns, is renovating and will sell two units in the same line (we are a six floor building so they are all close together). Are you trying to say that a low ball (under market - we have recent appraisal and sales data) sale in the same line will not have any impact on those two units? Two people - a buyer and a seller, can hurt remaining shareholders too, no? Does one shareholder take precedence over all shareholders? In some senses, brokers have it easy in that they get to walk away after the deal is done (unless they happen to live in the same building).

I disagree with you on why units don’t sell – I believe that most units don’t sell because they are not worked.

My thoughts are that yes, we can not control the market but we can influence it. We do it every day by replacing landscaping, repairing buildings, having reserves, painting hallways and all the other things that Boards do to maintain value. Why give up all of the hard work to a deal such as this? I can’t buy it.

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boards - dianne stromfeld Jan 02, 2011


There is no question that one sale MIGHT have an effect on others. Typically appraisers will look at any that seem atypical and either throw it out completely or do a little investigating into the reason for he low price. My real point is that we just can't prevent someone from selling at any price they choose unless we are prepared to buy the property from them and resell it at whatever price we choose to. I understand your position and rationale, but we need to look at the legality of it. Because you live in a six story building one sale will a greater impact that if it were a 50 story one. Where do you draw the line? At what point is a single sale relevant. So many things seem unfair to one person but might have little or no impact on another. Look at another side of the coin. Have you considered the overall share price as a way of generalizing prices. In other words if 3 units have sold add up their cumulative shares add the total sale prices and divide, giving an average at which shares are sold. It might be a little less glaring for a potential buyer than comparing actual sale prices. Do you factor in the floor the unit is on, higher is more expensive or views are there any negatives one floor to another. These all need to be considered, not just the line. You frustration is well taken, but fair trade is fair trade.
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Agents - Don Warshaw Jun 16, 2011


I have noticed a consistent problem with sales and sublets over the years. Inexperienced and not too bright Agents, and older lazy Agents who know better. The problem is undervalued appraisals by Agents who do not know better, and lazy Agents who instead of really selling just sit back and say lower the price, because they are interested in turning the sale over, not selling for the right amount. As a Board President I get the calls from upset shareholders about low ball sales pricing, and know that we can neither ban nor refuse a legitimate sale. Being sent inappropriate applicants is easy to deal with, an upset shareholder who has been led down the path by a foolish Agent is painful to deal with. A building with a lot of Estate sales is going to be so devalued over the years because of fire sale pricing that it ruins the asset value of the remaining shareholders. How do you compensate for that? How do you lift the pricing against that tide?

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