What what CMJ described, these two board members are interrogating (his word) visitors in general. Since not even police can compel you to give more than than your identification, these board members are clearly acting in an unjustifiable manner.

Being on a board doesn't give them, outside the board room, any powers that other shareholders don't have. And as shareholders, they have no right to interrogate other shareholders' guests.

As CMJ said, the co-op has security personnel tasked with preventing trespassers and keeping the peace on this private property. In this case, aside from board members acting arrogantly, you have a case of shareholders creating a nuisance to other shareholders.

Bottom line: Being a board member does not allow you to behave in a way that other shareholders cannot behave.

As you stated if what CMJ states is factual, when non-residents,guests enter a building and are causing a problem for the guard/door person any shareholder board member (who is also a shareholder) when noticing that the guard/door person is having a difficult time has a right to protect themselves as well as the building for others who live there. If the shareholder speaks to the guard/door person with NO interaction with the guest (which is not known at this juncture) and the guest was asked to leave again, that can be considered as Trespassing. If this guest is not a shareholder, not on a lease and being disruptive any shareholder or board member can advise the guard/door person to seek help and/or file a complaint. This is not exclusive to board members as stated any shareholder concerned about where they live.

I must agree with one thing. Has anyone heard from the other side or just from what is being told by one side? Always remember, there are 3 sides to every issue, "Yours, mine and somewhere in the middle is the truth". That being said a Nuisance Holdover is invalid in this instance. Basically a Nuisance Holdover is for a Noise issue, non-compliance with pets, sublet issues, disruption to other shareholders i.e. legal tenants. If security has done what he/she had to do in compliance with the rules, by calling the Tenant (and no one answering)or Tenant did not want guest to go up, the security would relay that, if further disagreement happens that further steps should be taken to make sure guest leaves, if guest then refuses and any legal tenant or board member (legal tenant) observes this, there is no problem in advising security to either file a complaint or seek legal remomval. No one can be sure what a person causing a problem can and may do. I am of the belief that any Tenant (legal) should protect their living quarters from any problem that may and can lead to something bigger, whether it be an intense argument (screaming) or anything else that might erupt.

The original post from CMJ? stated that the people being questioned by shareholders were guests as opposed to someone walking in "to case" the area. There is a world of difference. While I believe we should all be vigilant let the staff you hired take care of these issues.(well trained staff are your eyes and ears). I have personally witnessed shareholders who had no business whatsoever questining individuals sitting quietly in our lobby as to who/why they were here. If you fit "certain profiles" you are liable to be questioned.This is embarrassing and wrong....

How do any of us know if the Guest was questioned? Possibly the Tenant (Legal) just spoke to the Security. We are just looking at it from CMJ's point of view. That's the issue. A legal Tenant or board member, who is also a legal Tenant, if seeing something that could escalate or someone not adhering to Security, I would think can speak with the Security. They do work for the building and the protection of such building and all legal Tenants.

I think we're getting our signals crossed. I don't see CMJ saying anything about the board members only dealing with problem visitors.

He's saying the board members take it upon themselves to interrogate whoever comes in.

He's also saying he considers this a problem, i.e., harassing fellow shareholders' guests.

We don't know if that's factual? We have not heard the other side. Anyone can say anything, not necessarily what actually is. Thereby, all of this back and forth on this issue can be a moot point. Do we actually know EVERYONE who comes into the building is Interrogated? Of course not. Are these Tenants/Board Members standing by the front door waiting for people/guests to come in to jump on them. I find that a little beyond comprehensive.

CMJ never identified by building, so what's beyond comprehension is why he would lie about it. He wanted to get advice about a situation as he perceived it -- he's not trying to score public-opinion points.

Your tactic of exaggeration is typical of those who don't have a leg to stand on via logic. "standing by the front door waiting...to jump on" guests? Please. We all know board members can behave autocratically. We all know people with a little power can abuse it. (DMV clerks, anyone?) I'd have to wonder if you're not one of the board members CMJ labels as a "nuisance."

You sound like you are a friend of CMJ's. Is that so? I responded because it seems like many answers to what was stated seem to be listening to something that is not even confirmed by any other person. None of us, including you JB, really know the issue at hand, just a comment from someone. Correct a little power can be abused, do we know if the question posed or issue discussed is not from someone who is doing that same thing?

I've no connection to CMJ or even know what the initials stand for. I'm operating strictly from what he or she is saying.

CMJ has no reason to lie -- it's an anonymous setting, where none of us know what building it is or who is involved. As far as any of us on the outside are concerned, it's a hypothetical situation -- and you attack the person proposing it.

CMJ came here seeking help -- and instead you impugn the victim's motives. If you don't believe he/she's telling the truth, why comment at all? CMJ was only asking for advice; if you didn't have any ... well, one wonders what your motivation could be in attacking CMJ.

JB get a grip

I agree with what you stated, none of us know the situation. I am playing Devils Advocate, how do any of us know any situation. Don't know CMJ either, I'm looking at it from a different prospective, a what if - if that makes any sense. Anyone can ask any question that choose to, but that particular issue seemed like certain people were being attacked and none of us know what is real and what isn't, what is fact and what isn't. All the answers seemed to advise in a derogatory fashion. It would be great if all knew all circumstances. Every one asks questions on their preception, doesn't mean they are lying but sometimes all is not factual.