New York's Cooperative and Condominium Community

Habitat Magazine Insider Guide

HABITAT

Subscribe for Daily Updates!
Allocation of Shares in a Coop - ellen kapit Nov 22, 2009


I am on the Board in a 100 yr old coop. Back in the 1960s when it was converted the shares were not equally allocated since the apts were in different configurations then and about half have since been cut up. As a result, the larger original apts enjoy a much lower share allocation per sq foot than the other half of apts in the building. Since the shares cannot be reallocated, does anyone have a suggestion on how to create a more equal cost basis amongst apts? Thanks for anyone's help.
ellen

> Join the conversation Comments (2)


Ellen, We too have an old building, and a number of apartments have been combined, or taken over a room from another apartment. But, this was taken into consideration when the mergers were applied for, and shares reallocated.
This is not leagal -- and the Building lawyer, as well as Board members should have taken care of each individual apartment reconfiguration. I would strongly advise the Board to have your lawyer look into it. If there is a Board member benifiting from this, since they now know the rule -- they should immediatly move to have this resolved.
If the rest of the Coop gets wind of this, there could be serious problems.

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation Comments (1)


Thanks for your message HG. We are way past that point. Lawyers have looked into this numerous times and nothing can be done to reallocate shares. That is why we have thought about evening the playing field with some other sort of charges. It's not the mergers that created the problem it was the original unit owners that converted the bldg and gave more shares to the storage areas and maids rooms all of which are individual units today.

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation


To change the distribution, you may need every shareholder to agree to a redistribution. Unfortunately, when it comes to redistribution of wealth, there are VERY FEW if any who may gladly embrace the idea. In this case, those who are benefited by the current distribution of shares will hold on t on to the status quo and will not vote in favor of such a distribution. Therefore, due diligence is critical when buying units and making sure that the apartment that is of interest is not unusually endowed with an unfair distribution of shares.

Good luck!

AdC

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation Comments (1)


I know, i know. We would not even attempt to reallocate exactly because of what you describe. Instead I believe we can even out the inequality by charging apts with lower amount of shares per sq ft with other charges that are now split equally. Have you heard of anyone doing that?

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation Comments (2)


I believe you will have a major litigation if you were to do something like that! You cannot charge phantom charges just because you wish to become Don Quixote.

AdC

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation


Unless you can demonstrate that an apartment is consuming a larger share of a specific resource -- by submetering, for example -- then all charges must be on a per-share basis. Any attempt to reapportion charges based on subjective criteria is extremely questionable and could land you in serious legal trouble.

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation Comments (1)


The resident manager prepared a cost per share vs. a cost per sq ft analysis and it varied from $1.30 per sq ft to $3.05 per sq foot of maintenance. There is no submetering in place because not all of the apt's infrastructures have been properly upgraded. As a result, any building wide charges/assessments which are based on a per share basis are widely disproportionate and constantly creates a division in agreement about any projects, etc.

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation
Noise - anon Nov 21, 2009


I get noise in my apartement from the boiler "releasing". I live on the top 8th floor. And the flue is surrounded by the closet from 2 rooms and the tiled side of the bathroom. How can I line the closet walls and inside bathroom walls to lessen the sound? (Something easy to do that I can do myself.) The sound should then come from the ceiling/rooftop. By the way, I live in a condop.

> Join the conversation Comments (1)


Has it always made noise or did it just start?

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation Comments (1)


Guests have heard it , but I haven't. Hard of hearing. But now I hear it.

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation Comments (1)


You should have the superintendent ask the boiler company to check the top of the chimney, sometimes birds get in there and start building nests which could partially block the space, resulting in a whistling sound when the air is trying to escape the flue. That's why they have cages on top of the chimney's.

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation
No Subject - Anonymous Nov 20, 2009


Just heard that Brown Harris Stevens purchased Penmark Realty.

> Join the conversation Comments (1)


That is correct, Penmark is now a part of Brown Harris Stevens.

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation
Egress for Pre-War Residential - meantone Nov 17, 2009


Hi,

We just got new doors put on our 41 unit pre-war building and were told by the board that they needed to open out from the inside due to NYC building code. Because of the narrowness of the landing it poses a great inconvenience when entering the building. No other buildings on the block that have changed their doors

Is the board's statement about the egress building code correct?

Thanks.


> Join the conversation Comments (1)


Once you replace entrance doors, you must have them open towards the outside. Most stores have them like that, this is done in case their is an emergency everyone would rush to the exit/entrance doors and have to pull open the door causing the people to stop and pull open the door, causing the people to slam into each other. They changed this rule a couple of years ago.

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation Comments (1)


Thanks. That's disappointing. Even though the landing the door's opening out on to is only the size of the width of the door? Which forces people with carts and things to have to back away until the door clears.

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation Comments (1)


It may be inconvenient but an occasional inconvenience to someone with a cart is nothing compared to what would happen if residents were trapped while trying to get out.

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation
Gel Fireplaces - I_Dunno Nov 15, 2009


I live in a condop. And, I wish to buy a gel burning fireplace. Is this allowed in a NYC apartment building?

> Join the conversation Comments (2)


I don't believe you are allowed to use one in a apartment. But check the link to the fire department below.

www.nyc.gov/html/dob/downloads/bldgs_code/rule_28-02.pdf

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation


they do not need a vent - if they are the new ones. nope. no city codes apply. they are like candles.

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation
2010 Budget - Jim Flores Nov 13, 2009


What is your board seeing as the problem areas of your 2010 budget planning?

Are you going to raise maintenance?

If so, by how much?

> Join the conversation Comments (5)


Our new board raised maintenance 6% a few months ago with no explanation other than the new Management said we were not keeping up with other coops. To say the shareholders are a little upset is an understatement. I believe in a 2% COL raise unless something in the budget went out of whack, then you have to balance the budget with a larger increase. Good luck.

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation


We have seen an increase in arrearage. I was thinking about proposing to the Board that we borrow from our reserve fund on a temporary basis (until the specific arrearage issues are resolved through the courts) to be paid back later. We have approximately $5k per unit in reserves. I am not seeing much pressure on other expenses with the exception that it might be a colder winter. We also have the union staff raises.

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation Comments (2)


I believe that arrearages are going to continue to be a problem with the general poor economic conditions and people losing jobs every day. While borrowing from reserves is a temptation, I'd be very cautious about that because how are you ever going to put it back? It's a bad precedent to set. I've brought up at our Board meetings that we need to be alert to people losing their jobs and having arrearages but no one seems to care. To me, that's a problem too, and I really don't know the answers. Please keep us posted on how things go, and good luck.

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation


Riverdale has it right. Borrowing from reserves to pay for operations is VERY dangerous - you could easily find yourself being unable to pay it back without an even larger increase in your operating budget.

Also see my other post about real estate taxes - they are much bigger than your water or heating bill and you can be assured that they only have one way to go...UP.

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation Comments (1)


OK - maybe I am missing something but I don't see a danger in borrowing from reserves for a temporary arrearage issue that I expect will go away when court proceedings are complete. Raising maintenance for true expense increases in one thing (and we may have a small one for that reason anyway). Trying to raise it for shareholder cash flow problems is another and harder to support. The only danger I see is once the funds are received, not having the fiscal discipline to depositing the funds back in the Capital Account. If I am missing something, please let me know before I present this to the Board on 12/5 for a vote.

Thanks!

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation


In our budgetary preparations for next year, our water bill is anticipated to rise 10% again – which for a small building adds 3-4K in expenses, there are union pay requirements, plus the pension surcharge, MTA surcharge which is on gross income, utility increases, which add up as well. From our operating standpoint this will be offset with our new sublet fee and storage room implementation, so we may be lucky to keep maintenance flat. As a driver of financial prudence, we are upgrading our parking amenity, and increasing the fee to a discounted amount compared to Riverdale indoor parking surrounding us, increasing our revenue side.
The arrear issue is one we are monitoring closely, it has increased across the spectrum, and we are looking to work with each shareholder to confirm circumstances and to work with the shareholder to get back on track. For the 2010 budget we are going to go the conservative route and assume a 1% reduction in maintenance revenue due to arrears etc to be safe. If it does not materialize we can adjust at year end or bank the money.
Additional budgetary note – a provision has been made each month to continue funding our reserve fund, to keep focus on the long term needs of the building as part of the budgetary planning process. We maintain a separate project list with funding requirements and time frame and as funding is completed the project commences.
I hope this helps.

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation


I see it raising 5% - last year an increase was not passed. This increase is due to catching up with costs. Although the economy has not been great, prices have not come down by way of services. It is also foolish to cut your scheduled maintenance in bad and good times to satisfy your shareholders. Expensive equipment suffers as a result of poor maintenance!

AdC

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation


Each of my buildings have a different expectation for the maitenance.
We are raising maintenance in most by 2% to cover regular inflationary costs.

Some buildings we agreed to keep it the same and announced to the shareholders that the board would review the budget again in May/June to reassess the need for an increase. That is the minimum that should be done at this point, you should never reduce maintenance. If your in that great of shape where the excess is too much and you feel the need to give back, return it in the way of an increased service.

~AR

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation Comments (1)


What surprises me in this chain is that no one has mentioned real estate taxes which likely represent the largest single line item in your budget.

Real estate taxes represent more than 50% of our budget. Our auditors are advising us to expect both a increase in the tax rate AND the assessed valuation on July 1 which could add 3% to 7% to your tax bill. Add to that the likelihood of a NYC mid-year increase (January 1) and you get a significant number without even considering the other line items of your budget.

Those of you budgeting for a negligible increase or no increase at all should discuss it with your accountants and sharpen your pencils!

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation Comments (1)


I was advised this week by our managing agent that the city has increased tax rates retroactively 1.44% starting in January 2010 (for July -December) which means a 2.88% increase for the Jan - June 2010 period (1.44% for the past period and 1.44% for the current period).

Has anyone heard about water/sewer rates yet? I was planning on a general 8.5% increase starting in July 2010 unless someone has heard anything more specific.

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation Comments (1)


Water bill is proposed to increase by 10% in July; I doubt this will be pared down given the budget shortfalls of NY City and NY State.
We are budgeting an increase of 7% for real-estate taxes, based on increased value estimates.
Also look out for increased electric costs and for those with large staff requirements, MTA salary surcharge, along with union requirements and pension surcharge.
Hope this helps.

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation
Restricting cost of super's utilities - Anonymous Nov 12, 2009


Our board is considering capping our super's electricity costs (he would pay the difference between the cap and total used). We could save approximately $650 a year doing this. Though our operating expenses are about 1 million dollars, we are trying to save on every minor cost. On the other hand, if payment for all utilities is an expected amenity (especially for non-union supers who are paid less), then this cost-cutting measure seems harsh and, considering our operating expenses,rather petty. Some are not satisfied with the super's performance and to some extent this proposal reflects their dissatisfaction. Any advice?

> Join the conversation Comments (7)


Good idea. Because often they get lazy about electrical consumption otherwise (ie they have no incentive to be careful) and it gets abused. How about giving him a budge of $100 a month and about 12 free CFL lightbulbs ?

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation Comments (1)


Superintendents should be proactively working with both their managing agents and boards on methods of further slimming expenses within their control in balance with service levels expected. If a building’s board with a $1mm operating budget isn’t experiencing them coming forward with cost-savings ideas, directors wouldn’t be thinking twice about his/her electric bill (unless you have a penchant for thinking “Green” which is valid in its own right). As water finds it own level, in time, so do supers and boards who will pair off appropriately; the unqualified super and the petty board, the qualified super whose always challenged yet appreciated by their community. Perfection isnt obtained though it's sought.

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation


Sally, it does not matter if your a lazy super or a lazy CEO, the fact of the matter is if your not happy make a change. Resident's like yourself are the reason why you loose a good super. No good super with self respect is going to put up with your non-sense. We get called at all hours of the night, when we are out with our familes we retreat back to the building to do the right thing, we make repairs that are not our or the buildings responsibility for the simple reason that we just want to SHUT YOU UP SO YOU COULD GET OFF OUR BACK!!! And all the building politics we put up with and issues that do not concern us but we do the right thing for the interest of the building and the residents and now you want to nickel and dime the super for less then$60 a month is a spit in the face if that super had any self respect he would high tail out of there and allow you and the board to search and find a person WHO YOU AND THE RESIDENTS trust to live with you keep your spare keys and for less then $60 a month you want to create a negative atmosphere. All I can say is that I hope it comes back to you!! but your probably so misreable and lonely, and you know what they say misery loves company....

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation Comments (1)


Anonymous would make a better point if he weren't so bitter, angry and full of invective. I, for one, would never want to have a time bomb like this guy "liv[ing] with ... your spare keys."

We're all cutting back. I'm a working, white-collar professional, and I've even cut back on things like the $20 a month HBO was costing me. I'm shopping at a less expensive supermarket several blocks away from the more expensive one nearby. If this super can't understand that a building may have to cut back as well, then I say cut him loose before he slits the board president's throat in the night.

And tell me, Anonymous: How do you justify the super who kept his AC going 24 hours a day? There's no need whatsoever for that when no one's in the apartment. I'd love to hear what possible rationale you can offer for that.

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation


First let me ask a question, is there a electrical meter on the superintendents apartment? I know some buildings that the electricity is tapped off of the main building panel to connect the superintendents apartment (if the apartment is on the first floor.

Just how much electric is he using? It sounds pretty petty to do this, you say your not happy with his/her performance, what happens when you get rid of the superintendent and hire a GOOD superintendent, are you going have him/her pay for the electric? Just when does it stop?

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation


A few years and supers ago, when we took a look at the Supers elect bill. In the summer he ran the AC 24/7. We put a cap on the electric bill, and he decided that he did not need to cool his apartment while he was away. We have also now limited the Phone bills, cancled the Supers parking garage and are finding many ways to cut back.
We are a small middle-upper calss building. We now have over 8 owners who have lost jobs, or seen retirement funds almost dissapear -- we are getting very serious about looking for ways to save money -- which may include reducing the staff.

We personally like our super, and he does a good job. Howere, we are having to take a hard look at our overhead. The Super
lives in a 2-br apartment that would rent for over 3500 a month, considers this a 9-5 job, and is away on weekends. If there is an emergencey, the DM calls the Management Emergency number, and they send someone over. No matter what anyone says, this is a cushy job -- that pays very well. VP

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation


A conscious super should not be abusing services provided to him, but if he and his family seems to be using more than usual, you may wish to sit down with him and explain operations. I believe everyone knows their wallet or have a sense of it.


If you cap it, it should be at a reasonable amount. If you have an independent account for the apartment, you may get a history of consumption and may come to a good understanding of what would be reaonsable in this case.

Finlly, just because the super is underperforming, this should not be a bargaining chip. Try to promote him to the position he deserves if he does not amend his behavior.

AdC

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation


I work as a Resident Manager for a very well known firm. As a resident manger/superintendent which ever title suits you best. It is in OUR own interest to take these issues very serious. Just as we are trusted to watch over the very building that we work for, we also must not take for granted what we have as every employee should. If your current super is not up to par with the board and the direction it would like to see the building go in. Then maybe the board should make a change and if that is not an option yet. Then maybe your managing agent and your super should have their job descritpions given to them as what each of them needs to be doing on a daily, weekly and monthly basis. Such as maintenance, repairs, gather information for the board and supervision (walk through) and follow up phone calls/e-mails etc. I am sure that the board can think of many ways to get the results that you would like to see. If not then maybe he should be given an ultimatum. If he is abusing his utilities, i would suggest that the most DIPLOMATIC board member sit him down and express the concerns that the board has. I believe that this is the best way, for the simple reason that he will see that the board is very serious about this and he will also be on alert that the board does see things and that they do investigate. I believe that he will either change his ways rather quickly for better that is if you outline the issues and the expectations. If he does not well you already know what the next option is.

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation


How about if the apartment is metered, let the Resident Manager contact Con Edison and have the account switched to his/her name, then the coop/condo don't have to worry about how much electric they are using. Just a thought.

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation
Corporation Dissolution - Jeff Neeke Nov 12, 2009


Is it ever feasible/plausible that a board suggest corporation dissolution, and how would this need to be consented to by shareholders?

For example, if a developer's offer for a coop building far exceeded what shareholders could sell their apartments for collectively, how would this be accomplished if all agree, and do all need to agree?

> Join the conversation Comments (2)


The short answer is YES, the coop corporation can indeed be voluntarily dissolved and the building sold. It is very rare, but it has been done.

For the dissolution procedure, you'll need to check your Proprietary Lease. In our lease -- which was based on the same template as many other NYC coops -- the relevant details are in Paragraph 31(g): Termination of Lease by Lessor / Termination of All Proprietary Leases:

"If at any time the Lessor shall determine, upon the affirmative vote of two-thirds of its then Directors at a meeting of such Directors duly called for that purpose, and the affirmative vote of the record holders of at least 75% in amount of its then issued shares at a shareholders' meeting duly called for that purpose, to terminate all proprietary leases..."

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation


This was highly informative, but the questions in your case would be:

1. Do individual shareholders control a 75% of the shares to be able to pass the dissolution of the corporation?

2. What do you expect to gain from the dissolution if you were to succeed in the vote?

3. Would you have any hope that the value of the property every be higher than the total cost of the apartments?

AdC

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation
Security, vandalism - dphelan Nov 05, 2009


We have recently experienced vandalism on a few landings, liquids (possibly urine) have been poured in front of several doors.

We have a good security system in the lobby, etc. However, we are looking for a simple way to monitor specific landings on an as needed basis. We would like something that we can install on a single floor and move to another location if necessary.

> Join the conversation Comments (2)


Check the Habitat "Previous New Products" section. (Link is at Site Map) I've seen a lot of security products, hidden cameras, etc. there

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation


The only way I can think of to ID the vandal is on video unless you catch him in the act. Google the words "wireless security camera" or "battery operated security camera". There are a lot of styles available that can send wireless recordings to a TV, DVD or VCR.

One type is a "nanny cam", a tiny wireless camera about the size of a coin that can be installed anywhere. You could install it near the ceiling at one end of a hallway or a landing to record activity in that area. Parents use it to video record the "nanny" (or babysitter) who cares for their children to see how they treat them. That's how it got its name. It's not easy to spot because it's so tiny and doesn't look like a video camera, and it's not very expensive.

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation Comments (1)


We have used the x10 wireless system in some of mny building with great success.

~AR

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation
Combining apts - JB Nov 04, 2009


Does one or does one not need a C of O after combining co-op apartments, with board approval, licensed/bonded architect, contractor, etc. I've heard that in the 1990s, the law changed to say it's no longer needed when combining apartments, but apparently word didn't get out. Anyone know anything?

> Join the conversation Comments (4)


According to the New York Times (Oct. 18, 1998): "The increase [in combined apartments] has been assisted by a changed in the regulations of the New York City Buildings Department, which decided a year ago that it would no longer require a revised certificate of occupancy when spaces were connected."

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/10/18/realestate/in-combining-apartments-1-1-2.html

Not a legal answer, but probably fairly definitive.

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation


JB: The following is an article from Habitat


Combining Apartments? Use Directive 14
By Frank Lovece

You're combining two apartments, something hundreds if not thousands of co-op and condo owners have done. The board gave its initial go-ahead, approved your architect's plans, signed off on your contractor being duly licensed and insured, and said OK to your construction schedule. Work went as planned, and now your board says you need to have a Department of Buildings inspector come in to revise the now-combined apartment's Certificate of Occupancy.

But wait! There's a quicker, more convenient alternative — one that some boards aren't even aware of. It's called Directive 14.

That might sound like a presidential order from a spy movie, but Directive 14, created by the Department of Buildings in 1975, is a way of obtaining a C of O revision without going through the entire C of O rigmarole. For projects not involving a change or use or occupancy, you can forego having a DOB inspector come in, and instead have the licensed architect or engineer of record simply certify that the work has all been done to code.

The DOB devised the directive at a time when 40,000 applications for C of O revisions were streaming in annually. Allowing architects and engineers to essentially self-certify — with stringent penalties for those abusing the directive — helped unplug the near-impossible backlog.

"Directive 14 is an option any permit applicant has to let the engineer or architect certify a project, so that you don't have to be physically inspected by the Department of Buildings," explains Sam Pruyn, who with his stepbrother Matthew Calvo runs the Sunnyside, Queens-based consultancy and expediting firm Building Brothers, Inc.

The way it works, says Pruyn (pronounced "prine") is that the architect or engineer "identifies at the beginning of the application process which items that the DOB requires certification for, and which items [the architect or engineer] is assuming that responsibility for. At the end of the project, [the architect or engineer] submits a follow-up form stating they have reviewed the project after it has been completed, and that all the items they were going to certify has been done up to DOB requirements."

C of O revisions "aren't really about structural changes," Pruyn notes, "but about use of the building or apartment. If a room on the first floor, let's say, is classified as storage and was turned into an apartment, that's a C of O issue. It doesn't mean there were structural changes. It just means a portion of the building that was listed as unoccupied is now occupied." Likewise, "Removing a kitchen from a combined apartment would be a C of O issue, but isn't necessarily a structural issue."

Since boards aren't always aware of Directive 14, it's up to the co-op shareholder or condo unit-owner to explain that this is a valid DOB alternative to having a city inspector physically come in for a formal inspection.




Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation


I live in a co-op in which the apartment I currently occupy consist of 2 apartments combined (that is how I originally took possession of the apartment as a renter). After the building turned co-op (to make a long story short) we had to file the appropriate paperwork to maintain the apartment in the "as-is" condition by hiring an architect who submitted all the paperwork to the Department of Buildings (DOB in NYC). However, we did not have to amend the C of O due to a law that (as I was told) was passed in the 70s stating that 2 apartments combined no longer required changing the C of O as long as you file and state that you do not want the C of O to change. By not changing the C of O (which is the least expensive option) I continue to enjoy living in a 2 apartment combined situation, however, I do pay 2 maintenance fees because in essence I own 2 share certificates. If the C of O was changed to represent that I no longer live in a 2 apartment situation, but rather live in one apartment, the total number of units in the building would decrease (in my case from 35 units to 34 units) AND I would only be allowed to have 1 share certificate, hence, pay one maintenance fee as well. I can't speak for every existing situation(s), but that was my dilemma several years ago...I do hope this was helpful.

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation Comments (1)


You've been wonderfully helpful and a real community!

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation


In general, would you say that combinations in your typical NYC coop increase the value of the overall property?

Thank you for rating!

You have already rated this page, you can only rate it once!

Your rating has been changed, thanks for rating!

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Register

Forgot your password? Click here

> Join the conversation

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Log in below or register here.

Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Introduce yourself to other members of Board Talk! Login below or register here.
Board Talk members who registered prior to March 9th, 2016 will need to reset their password.

Ask the Experts

learn more

Learn all the basics of NYC co-op and condo management, with straight talk from heavy hitters in the field of co-op or condo apartments

Professionals in some of the key fields of co-op and condo board governance and building management answer common questions in their areas of expertise

Source Guide

see the guide

Looking for a vendor?