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Mangement issue with Roommate Law - Lisa P Nov 11, 2015

Hello. I am in a coop and am concerned about illegal/liable practices by my board and management company and was hoping for some advice. My fiancee is moving in with me (with no change to the proprietary lease). Per the RPL 235, it was my understanding that I only needed to provide notice within 30 days. My management company is now insisting on a background check and for me to pay $200 to do so. They are also using terms such as "pending board approval" etc.
I know for a fact that they cannot block his moving (legal consult) in and that board approval is not needed (and illegal to make him do). I am concerned about the practices both by the management company and by the board if they are not realizing the consequences of such actions. I am not opposed to them knowing information about him (or even the background check/money issue in itself). It is the principal of the matter and the inappropriateness of what they are doing/how the situation is being handled.
I am not sure how to proceed as I don't want to rock the boat too much - especially as legally I will likely have to comply anyway (though not as a requirement of the move in) - however to whom would be the best person to address the potential illegal statements made by both parties and raise the awareness of potential liability issues to the board? Should I go directly to the director of the board or the higher ups or the management company or both?
I greatly appreciate any and all responses. Thank you so much in advance.

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I'm assuming that you are the sole name on the lease and shares for your cooperative apartment. If so, you should politely but firmly stand your ground. Do not consent to a background check or any related fees. The only money you should have to pay is a move-in fee, if your fiancé is moving in furniture or similar goods. Send a certified letter (return receipt requested) to the managing agent with a cc: to the board president. It should say something along these lines:

"I was very surprised to receive your request for a background check on my fiancé. I was also taken aback by the implication that board approval is required for him to move in. To be absolutely clear, my fiancé is not applying to have his name added to the proprietary lease. He will be moving in under the terms of NY Real Property Law Section 235-f (the "Roommate Law"). This requires only that "The tenant shall inform the landlord of the name of any occupant within thirty days following the commencement of occupancy by such person or within thirty days following a request by the landlord." With this letter, I am complying with that requirement by letting you know that his name is Joe Fiancé. I understand that this may be a simple misunderstanding on your part, but I must insist that you make no further demands for background checks (and associated fees), and that you refrain from further claims that board approval is required for this move-in. Naturally we will pay the standard move-in fee charged to anyone moving into the building, but we will not provide any additional fees or paperwork, as those are clearly barred by the Roommate Law. Please consult your attorney if you have any questions."

To stress: I am not a lawyer and this is not intended as legal advice. It's simply the letter I'd send myself if I were in this situation.

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Thank you so much for your thoughts. They are greatly appreciated.

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When you say "you are in a coop". What does that mean? Do you own the coop or rent the coop?

If you own yes you are protected under the "roommate law". However, as a board member that means you are "splitting" the "rent" and costs with your "roommate"

A finance is an imaginary term. There is no legal rights. Sometimes boards are worry you are going to run a rooming house or the AKA "roommate" is not a roommate at all. But a sublease at a mark-up.

It is a fine line. We had a women in my building who had a "roommate"., but it turns out she had the ad still up for more "roomates". She claimed it was going to be one but our lawyer made her take down her ads to prove it.

Additionally, she has no mortgage. Maint is low in my building. She was bragging that the "roommate" was going to cover all her costs and she was living free.

In the end we let her keep one roommate, sign and agreement she would keep it to one. We also let her slide on her living free.

Personally I owned a coop and two weeks before my wedding date my finance moved in. But I knew a girl on the board, she chatted with me and knew I was engaged and she knew my wedding date so I felt no obligation to tell the board anything. A wife is not a sublease.

Now as a board member I would not want to know at all what you are doing. But if you sent me an application. I guess unless this is a real engagement. I mean ring on finger and you are giving me a wedding date. I guess I want to know more details. I would rather not know nothing at all.

And remember he is a "second class citizen" in your building. Cant vote at a board meeting or even attend a board meeting. And causes a second set of issues to board, Unmarried room-mates who date are usually trouble for landlord. If they break up, call off engagement it brings whole building and board into your personal life

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When you say "you are in a coop". What does that mean? Do you own the coop or rent the coop?

If you own yes you are protected under the "roommate law". However, as a board member that means you are "splitting" the "rent" and costs with your "roommate"

A finance is an imaginary term. There is no legal rights. Sometimes boards are worry you are going to run a rooming house or the AKA "roommate" is not a roommate at all. But a sublease at a mark-up.

It is a fine line. We had a women in my building who had a "roommate"., but it turns out she had the ad still up for more "roomates". She claimed it was going to be one but our lawyer made her take down her ads to prove it.

Additionally, she has no mortgage. Maint is low in my building. She was bragging that the "roommate" was going to cover all her costs and she was living free.

In the end we let her keep one roommate, sign and agreement she would keep it to one. We also let her slide on her living free.

Personally I owned a coop and two weeks before my wedding date my finance moved in. But I knew a girl on the board, she chatted with me and knew I was engaged and she knew my wedding date so I felt no obligation to tell the board anything. A wife is not a sublease.

Now as a board member I would not want to know at all what you are doing. But if you sent me an application. I guess unless this is a real engagement. I mean ring on finger and you are giving me a wedding date. I guess I want to know more details. I would rather not know nothing at all.

And remember he is a "second class citizen" in your building. Cant vote at a board meeting or even attend a board meeting. And causes a second set of issues to board, Unmarried room-mates who date are usually trouble for landlord. If they break up, call off engagement it brings whole building and board into your personal life

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subletting - ConcernedOwner Oct 23, 2015

Good morning. I own a professional practice in a coop. I am renting to other professionals in my field within this space. I am also practicing full time in the space. The board is trying to implement a sublet fee. Does anyone know if that is allowed? legal? Does the fact that i am occupying the premises while others are sharing the space make any difference? Most cases i read about, the owner is not present when renting. Thank you.

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My advice to you is to gather up all of the documents you have regarding your practice space and consult with an attorney. You need to talk with someone who can interpret the contents of your agreements with the co-op to determine what you and the co-op can and cannot do.

Good luck!

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My advice to you is to gather up all of the documents you have regarding your practice space and consult with an attorney. You need to talk with someone who can interpret the contents of your agreements with the co-op to determine what you and the co-op can and cannot do.

Good luck!

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Thank you for your reply to my inquiry. I was hoping to get another response rather than to have to contact an attorney. Before i contact someone, do you or anyone would know of any similar case(s) that i could look at.

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Class Action Suit for HOA: Disclosure Details Missing - altaloman Sep 14, 2015

Our California HOA with 1317 members has just been notified to appear at a hearing to make comments or express opinions about the status and direction of a telecommunications lawsuit won on appeal by the HOA. Defendants are the original HOA developer and a large telecom company. The suit has been before the court since December 2010, but the court's judgment concerns actions beginning in 2001. Now, our HOA and legal counsel are seeking to drop the class-action nature of this long-standing lawsuit, but they have not shared full details (like the amount of the pending reward), so homeowners are being asked to appear at a public hearing without benefit of discovery of full details. Should we seek and have legal counsel prior to the hearing?

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You could start by sending a letter, on behalf of XXX many people, to the HOA and legal counsel (that are planning to drop the class aciton) advising them that homeowners are being asked to appear at a public hearing (to which I presume you all want to go), however, none of you have the benefit of all details. Can they provide details by DATE? (and allowing yourself time to review anything they may send). The HOA and/or legal should respond to you.

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Indemnification Letter - Mark Sep 11, 2015

Our condo has a few open violations. One of the units is selling (the unit itself has no violations) and the purchasers attorney requested that we provide a letter of indemnification for these open violations and that they will be fixed soon. Is the condo required to indemnify the new buyer? Doesn't this put the building in a greater risk should something occur? Thank you.

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That's an interesting question and one that you should be consulting with your legal on.
Personally, I don't believe you are required to indemnify the purchaser. In other words if you have disclosed the violations to the purchaser, then they are making the purchase fully aware of the violations. However, you may lose the sale because of it.

On the other hand, it you did indemnify the purchaser, FOR THESE VIOLATIONS ONLY then you better make sure you address them and get them fixed. You can't indemnify them for every violation that may occur in the future; but you could for the ones open.

Again, I think you should consult with legal so that you know your options and impact.

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I actually wrote a blog post on this a few days ago and just saw this question here now, if you want to check it out:

http://ebmg.com/2015/10/indemnification-and-hold-harmless-letters-why-banks-should-be-named-and-not-the-shareholder-unit-owner/

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Can a condo board demand signed letters of indemnity from a unit owners and the person they hire to do work on their unit

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Super is a HOARDER - NBYonkersCoop Sep 02, 2015

We have an ongoing issue with the super hoarding on corporate property, including the meter room, garage, designated office, etc. Management has been ineffective in controlling the issue and now the Board feels compelled to act. Besides verbal and written warnings, can the Board look to impose further penalties (i.e. loss of pay for a day, suspension)? It's a tricky line, since the super is also a union member. Any advice from those with similar experiences would be appreciated.

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Is he a union member? if so, be sure of your rights by checking the latest agreement.

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You said corporate space, indicating the you know the space does not belong to the super. We had similar situation, staff was sent a letter with designated removal by date and if items not removed they would be disposed of. After some push back and extending date, items were removed and locations which were being used by the porters locked. Super does not own the location where he is employed. Be firm and execute.

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placement of outdoor hvac unit - DOB violation? - AndyRJones Sep 01, 2015

I just bought a new ground floor apartment- because this building was under construction when i closed..I didn't realize there is an extremely noisy hvac unit servicing the building directly behind me. The hvac sits at ground level and someone mentioned to me that they felt the placement was maybe a dob violation...that all large units had to be located on the roof. I was hoping someone could give me some insight as to whether this is a DOB violation. I believe the bldg behind me installed this hvac within the last couple of years, during the construction of my building. I live in a landmark section of Tribeca.

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Hi Andy - Sorry to hear abut your predicament. My first bit of advice is that you realize any sort of legal opinions or advice you receive in these forums is worth exactly what you pay for it. :-)

That being said, the first step I would take would be to find an attorney who specialized in these kinds of construction and noise issues. From the way you describe the situation, and especially since the HVAC unit belongs to a different building, you will not have any practical recourse other than through legal negotiation which hopefully will not morph into litigation. I doubt the HVAC unit owner will voluntarily remove it simply because you request them to, no matter how strongly you feel the noise and construction regulations are on your side. You need to know if you have a legitimate cause of action against the HVAC owner, and only attorney can tell you that.

Good luck!
--- Steve

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placement of outdoor hvac unit - AndyRJones Sep 01, 2015

I just bought a new ground floor apartment- because this building was under construction when i closed..I didn't realize there is an extremely noisy hvac unit servicing the building directly behind me. The hvac sits at ground level and someone mentioned to me that they felt the placement was maybe a dob violation...that all large units had to be located on the roof. I was hoping someone could give me some insight as to whether this is a DOB violation. I believe the bldg behind me installed this hvac within the last couple of years, during the construction of my building. I live in a landmark section of Tribeca.

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Supt and how many handyman? - DerDon Aug 28, 2015

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Trying to make this a simple question
Prewar building of 144 apartment into two buildings. How many porter are by law stated to have in building apart from 1 full time supt. Can that full time supt be a supt and do one porter duties. There the building want to eventually have 1 porter and a supt. Will we get fined?

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How is condominium simple interest calculated on the late common maintenance fees? - Mark Aug 24, 2015

The monthly fee is $300/month and the owner stopped paying. The first past due payment began in August 2014 (July's fees) so it is now 13 months. The interest rate is 12% per annum or 1% per month. Do I take $3,900 x 13% = $507.00? If I take just 1% of 300 for 13 months it seems to be low, i.e. $300 x 1% x 13 = $39.

Another way of doing it, I think, is the following:

JUL 2014 - $300x13 months outstanding x 13% = $507
AUG 2014 - $300x12 months outstanding x 12% = $432
SEP 2014 - $300x11 months outstanding x 11% = $363

Not sure which, if any, is correct.

Thanks for your help!

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It would be on a scale so if you are sending them a letter and starting with most recent, I would indicate the month in arrears/amount interest charged and total:


August 2015 $300 + $3.00 = $303.00
July 2015 $300 + $6.00 = $306.00
June 2015 $300 + $9.00 = $309.00

etc. up to 1st month of arrears, August 2014
August 2014 $300 + $39.00 = $339.00

and with a note indicating "Arrears interest calculated at 12% per annum or 1% per arrears month".

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Ned, thanks for your reply.

If I do it your way, it appears to me that almost nobody would pay on time since the interest on past due balance would be too small. So again, after lengthy research online, I still could not find how it should be correctly calculated. The search continues...

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But if you do it the way you are proposing, you are double charging them.

We charge a flat $25 per month. It makes it much easier to administrate - and collect. We also use it as leverage to collect, i.e. "if we receive your arrears by X, we will waive the late fees". It seems to work except for those 1 or 2 that simply cannot pay due to financial circumstances. In my opinion, you are long past the letter stage other than 1 final letter to advise them that you will be pursuing legal action if the arrears are not paid by "X".

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I think simple interest is exactly that, straight interest.
1% on $300 July 2014 unpaid maint) is $3 for each of 12 months ($36) if it were paid on Aug 1, 2015. Unpaid Aug 2014 would be $3 month for 11 months $33) if paid on Aug 1, 2015. Unpaid Sep 2014 would be $3 for 10 months $30) if paid on Aug 1, 2015, etc. Add it up, total $234. if the $3600 were paid Aug 2015.
Compound interest would add the interest to each balance, so after the first month, $303 would be due, then 606.03, then 912.09, then 1212.18, etc. It would come out to another $2-$3 dollars.
A flat late fee could be considered punitive, and unless you can show a cost to you for processing the late payment different than an on-time payment, it might get thrown out in a court. A % charge could be justified by lost interest or the cost to borrow money to pay coop bills if the mmaintenance wasn't received timely. Just my opinion..

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Flat fees are acceptable; you have to ensure it is reasonable
For example, if you're paying $750 per month and the late fee is $75, that's a 10 percent fee. Although that high percentage may be legal in some states, it's higher than the standard 3 to 5 percent.

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JG, I think you are correct on the calculation of interest. It does make sense although the interest is very low. Thank you.

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board will not honor bylaws - bylaws beached Aug 23, 2015

I don't know what to do. I own a condo in NY. There are 55 units. Over the past 10 years unit owners have done massive construction to the inside of their units ... finishing loft areas to create bedrooms (with electric, walls, flooring...) and finished basements with bathrooms. I have repeated complained to the Board that unit owners were NOT in compliance with bylaws which state NO construction without Board approval. I complained that they did not have building permits, Board approval and may have created a safety concern. One of my biggest complaints was that these improved units are much larger and more modern than mine and paying 1/4 of the monthly maintenance. recently I found out that a couple of Board members have done their own interior constructions. I have letters going back 10 years but the problem is there are so many owners that have done illegal improvements I can't get support. The Board will NOT allow me on the Board. Suing is an option but it will cost so much to win that my victory may not be worth the legal investment. I feel these modified units have depreciated my unit (they are 20 years newer with a quarter of the monthly maintenance) and a safety hazard. There are a few unit owners in the same position but we all have no idea how to avoid high legal fees. I went to the town planning board who conformed that building permits are required to build walls, flooring and electrical. I suggested an amendment to change the PICE but have been halted because we need a 100% vote of owners..
HELP HELP HELP...THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU

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There is little you can do in the immediate and I know from experience as we have the same issue in our building and I am on the board. Many owners have upgraded their unit and have not adhered to the by-laws. Sometimes we don't even know that renovations are or have happened until after the fact. Are we a negligent board? No. The problem is much bigger than us. I think instead of accusing the board of wrong-doing, approach them on the basis as "what can we do, together, to address this situation". Understand that the board pursuing legal will cost money and especially to go retroactive and in the end, as the reno's are already done, would probably lose as "x" amount of time has passed. Even if the they were to get more pro-active with planned reno's, is it fair to those individuals that now want to upgrade their unit and are not allowed to but others have done it (think of yourself; would it be fair to you?). You raise an interesting point regarding maintenance fees; should these owners now pay an increased fee? I think if you were to write a letter to the board and signed by a group of like minded owners and asking to meet with them in a non-confrontational/accusatory way, they will want to meet with you. In addition to your complaints, come with solutions to be considered including offering board assistance as a "special board committee" to evaluate the situation, number of units that have changed, potential impacts to the building (electrical, plumbing), hiring a engineer to assess renovation structural impacts,if any, maintenance assessment scenarios etc. It's a big problem and I assume your board are volunteers like us. As I said, the problem is bigger than us and needs a plan in order to address to it.

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Sounds like everyone but you is doing unapproved renovations. Have you made any complaints about construction without a permit to the Dept of Buildings? (I'm assuming you live in NYC, but if not, your town must have some similar department). I'm not clear why the other units are larger than yours and you state that they are paying 1/4 of the maintenance. Usually maintenance charge has something to do with square footage, available amenities such as a yard on the first floor or a balcony, or the floor of the apartment (higher has better view).
You also say that the board won't allow you to be on the board, it's usually up to the other owners to vote you on, not up to the board. What are you offering to bring to the board?

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Yes the monthly maintenance is PICE - percent to common interest elements where the square footage is the #1 factor. Our bylaws state that we cannot change the PICE without 100% approval...despite having so many folks noncompliants with bylaws. I am still shocked that the bylaws carry no weight. I have gone to the building inspector who said they are in need of building permits and I can have a code enforcement officer inspect. BTW - they had to rewire the fire alarms last week because many units forgot to connect after they did their improvements...

SO BUMMED.

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Thank you for your response. I have 10 years worth of letter writing and complaints...the issue is that many folks have put in HUGE elaborate lofts that are functioning as bedrooms - complete with doors and electrical. As stated against bylaws with no building permits...The monthly maintenance on these units is $250 (they are only legal 2 bedrooms and mine is $630 because I am the legal 3). The condo's calculate monthly fees by PICE - the square feet as built is the #1 calculation. By allowing units to construct square feet they have APPRECIATED these units because they are newer with significantly lower monthly costs and DEPRECIATED mine. This is a HUGE problem...I am not alone but there were FEW 3 bedrooms built to keep them "exclusive" - there are 3 families fighting against 16=20 who do not want change the system because they are getting over by not paying - they could care less about safety, building permits, or unlicensed work. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME RESPONDING. I am so desperate...and attorney will cost us so much $$$...we are getting hurt from every angle....
Thanks again....

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Thank you for providing more detail; I now have a better appreciation of your concerns.

Here's what I would do: Write a letter to the board and from all of the FEW 3 bedroom unit owners identifying 1. the issue; renovations have been allowed to units impacting structure, electrical, plumbing (in some cases) and usable square footage thereby increasing live able space/bedrooms. 2. as an owner, you would like to know if the maintenance fees have been adjust accordingly to that of a 3 bedroom unit. 3. this issue has been raised before with little success in obtaining any answers. 4. give them a deadline such as 30 days to respond otherwise, you intend to contact the Attorney General's Office to file a complaint and request an investigation.

If they do not respond, then you call the attorney general's office.
http://www.ag.ny.gov/contact-attorney-general

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I appreciate your time! I will keep you posted...fingers crossed.

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I would also ask them if when the units are renovated and electrical impacted, do they engage an electrical engineer to ensure that the buildings grid has not been impacted / overloaded and for (fire) safety reasons.

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