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What constitutes a Quorum - NYC May 28, 2014

Hi,

Does anyone know what percent or shareholders votes are required to amend the by-laws?

I thought it was two-thirds, but read an article that states the “BCL which was amended in 1998 now only a bare majority of the votes cast at a shareholder’s meeting at which a quorum is present”.

Our co-op has 525 shareholders. How many votes constitute a quorum?


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According to Wikipedia, your governing documents determine what constitutes a quorum. It may be based on one vote per unit, on the number of shares, or some other measure represented at a meeting. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quorum#Number_constituting_a_quorum.
You should also check this article from the Cooperator - http://cooperator.com/articles/1189/1/Business-Corporation-Law/Page1.html

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The governing documents of your coop should clearly state how to amend the proprietary lease. You'll find that in the by laws.

A quorum is necessary to validate the election of a board. Usually 50% is enough. (that is 50% of the total shares of a coop)

To amend the by laws or the proprietary lease, a super majority is required. In other words, a commending majority of the residents of a building must agree on important changes. (Usually 66% or 75% of the total number of shares)

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Thank you.
Great responses. Very helpful.

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After additional research, I have come across this baffling conclusion.

The amendment made to the BCL in 1998 only applies to co-op that were formed February 22, 1998 and beyond.
If the BCL which governs all co-ops, deems it reasonable to change two-thirds majority to only a bare majority of all outstanding shares to amend, adopt or repeal by-laws, why is it not law for previously existing co-ops.
If the speed limit is changed today from 40 MPH to 60 MPH it stands to reason that it pertains to all drivers not the ones that received their driver’s license as of current date.

There seems to be a break in the system that needs repair. Any opinions’ on who to contact would be greatly appreciated.

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Very important material here! Thanks for sharing. I agree that if the rules for changed for co ops formed after a certain date, that they should also apply to co ops formed earlier. The speed limit example makes sense. I think the NY Attorney General's office needs to take a much closer look at co ops where Sponsors refuse to sell. By neglecting this issue, there are many shareholders being harmed.

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I contacted the AG and New York State dep.t of Corporations.
If they responds, I will share the information.

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Superintendent/ Resident manager - super124 May 21, 2014

Hi.

Im a Resident manager on the upper eastside, Im looking for a building on the westside or lower eastside.

joserivera124@hotmail.com

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Natural settling of a building - malamu May 16, 2014

What is a condo board's responsibility with regards to the natural and minimal settling of a building that causes, for l, a slight separation at the seams in a unit (tape mostly or small cracks) but no actual structural damage?

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Unit mortgage issues - malamu May 11, 2014

HI...not sure if this is an issue for our building, but do wonder. One of our unit owners seems to have had some major problem with their mortgage. It looks like that when the banks were transitioning...well, somehow, their mortgage account, etc., was not properly filed, recorded and they seem to have not paid in a while. They have a lawyer who is trying to sort it out (it's been going on for a long time...they are trying to find the developer and the original backers...good luck!) but it has not been resolved. They have steadily paid their common charges. There are other issues not related to the mortgage, but which have building implications. So, my question is...if they have not paid their mortgage (and can't seem to find the paperwork?), what does that mean for the building? Are they the owners if they haven't actually been paying for the unit? What does that mean should we decide as a building to address other legal issues with the same unit? Thx.

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Management company and other - malamu May 11, 2014

Hi all...need your help again:

A reliable management company that works with small buildings (15 units) needed...SOON
A company that will contract with a small building to do gutter and check valve maintenance needed SOON.

We really need decent vendors...kind of at the point where another bad team of people providing "services" will put us all over the top.

Thx.

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I asked our management company, NMC Management, whether it would be interested in a small building, and our manager, Nancy Candelario, said yes. Although her office is in the Bronx, she effectively manages our 48 unit building in Manhattan. Nancy worked at Bellmarc and Douglas Elliman before going out on her own. We have found her to be highly competent and responsive.

Contact info:
NMC Property Management
2323 Haviland Ave
Bronx, NY 10462
nancy@nmcmanagement.com
347-621-3336

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electrical upgrades - ST May 09, 2014

A unit owner in our condo building wants to increase their electrical amperage. We have some excess amperage available, but not so much that all apartments would be able to do so in the future. We are considering charging the owner a fee in addition to the cost of construction, but are unsure how much to charge. I would appreciate hearing how other buildings handle this kind of situation.

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I would look at the current available amperage for the units to see if it's reasonable first. With continual improvements in technology, most items are using less electricity today - energy star appliances all use less than the old ones. Flat panel TV's use 10 watts instead of 350 watts for the crt's. CFL (spiral fluorescent) bulbs use 80% less power. In my building, we have single phase 80 amp service available in each unit, which can provide 220 v if needed. No one in our 30 years has needed to upgrade that. If the service currently available is borderline, maybe you need to consider upgrading the building service, or at least getting a cost estimate for it. How many units are there, how much excess capacity do you have? You could consider charging some % of the estimated upgrade cost and put it into a reserve for upgrade when needed. What is the likelihood others will want to upgrade as well?

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Thank you, JG. You provided some helpful information. I would still like to hear from anyone with experience of charging a fee.

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I agree with JG that you need to look at the overall bldg needs and possibly need to bring in more service overall. If you are borderline it might make more sense to do a building-wide upgrade so you can control quality, construction and compliance.
Remember that it also means possibly increasing the size of (all) the meters which replacement not only costs a lot to do, but the billed usage cost of electricity seems to go up as well, in terms of volume of usage, not the rate charge itself. At it's most basic, installing new breaker boxes with enough spare room for unknown future needs, bringing in separate AC lines to each apartment, and each room using AC units, on dedicated lines to each room is important. All bathrooms and kitchens need to have GFI outlets and sockets, You might want to install USB sockets as well. You can't plug computers and digital equipment into lines that have motors and heating units on them such as hairdryers, vacuum cleaners etc. So there is a need for separate lines even if the usage doesn't top 80 AMP service, the spread and distribution might cause you need to distribute 100 amps or 120 amps throughout each apartment.
Are you billing usage as part of maintenance or is everyone individually metered and paying Con-Ed directly? Is your building a prewar building with the old asbestos wrapped wiring that is all friable by now, or newer bx cabled? Are the apartments properly grounded? Are they currently 2-wire or 3-wire runs?

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Commercial Business in a Co-op - NYC May 05, 2014

What are the requirements needed to turn a co-ops extra storage space into a commercial business?

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Undercharged maintenance - JD Apr 29, 2014

We have undercharged maintenance for some units for 5-7 years. How far back can we go and collect the outstanding maintenance for? Is there a statute of limitation on what we can collect? The mistake was made on the managing agents site. Can they be held responsible as well if we cannot collect the entire amount from the shareholders?

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There is no simple answer. An attorney could advise you about a statute of limitations, if one applies or not, and couild also discuss the 'thoughts' which follow.
How many units are involved, and what is the % of all units/shares?
I guess your actions would depend somewhat on how much $$ is involved.
If it can be shown that the management co. is at fault, a conversation needs to be held with the principals there to see if they will cure the problem themselves or not, or will they attempt to contact the units themselves and work something out?
Shareholders should know what they are responsible for paying, but many don't read mailings and rely on the maintenance bills to be accurate, making the assumption that they are calculated correctly.
You can also look to your insurance company as well as the management's insurance company if you can't get satisfaction from the management co directly.
A simple check of the financial statements each year should have revealed a shortfall on annual maintenance received/billed, based on # of shares outstanding and the rates in effect.

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Hi JD and JG,

I have some additional thoughts. You definitely need a lawyer. My concern is that if you do not add the amounts to their bills and collect the undercharged amounts; the Board could unintentionally create a second class of stock. I mean that to say if you are a co-op, all maintenance charges are allocated by share. If you don’t collect, you have allocated them less than everyone else and could face accusations of discrimination by the shareholders that were charged correctly. (I would hate to think that you would have to refund everyone else just to make things equal if you don’t try to collect the undercharged owners). If you are ultimately having trouble collecting, one strategy is to charge the bills and collect the funds upon the transfer of the unit with the appropriate monthly late fees &/or interest.

Additionally, even if a Board hires a management company to provide services like billing and accounting, the Board is still responsible for the results (or an accounting firm and etc.). The Board must provide oversight. This does not preclude legal action if management does something wrong and the corporation suffers harm. However, Board oversight can often prevent errors in the first place.

Sincerely,

Steve

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I remember a few years ago that the Habitat Board had many postings on this problem and the consensus was not to do anything, except of course adjust the maintenance up or down. This made perfect sense to me because in order for the coop to be left revenue neutral you would have to charge the under payers to be able to pay the over payers which could be a major burden for some as the discrepancy could go back many years. I do not understand just charging the under payers, aren't there overpayers in the coop? However, I became aware of a situation that completely baffles me. A few years ago it seems the accountant for a coop found the same problem, but stated that only the Overpayers had to be reimbursed, nothing about the underpayers ; the lawyer for the coop agreed on this. Since the coop did not have the funds, the board passed a 13% assessment in order to repay the overpayers based on the accountant's schedule. This seemed ridiculous to me as the underpayers are not paying as much as they would if they were charged; but the overpayers were being charged to pay back themselves increasing their burden; however the underpayers were not paid back. Then the next year it was again decided that the overpayers must be reimbursed and in order to do so, the board passed a 14% increase and assessment; again the overpayers were not reimbursed, but all the shareholders had paid the assessments, what happened to the funds was not disclosed. At this point the accountant is still including the original liability on the financials, as a payable to shareholders ,with a note attached, I can't understand this as a lot of the parties on both sides have moved so the liability at least should be adjusted or removed Neither the accountant nor the lawyer has commented on the fact that the overpayers have not been repaid, even with the 2 assessments. Could anyone explain this .

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Hiring Superintendent or Maintenance Man for Renovations - H. Apr 25, 2014

It seems that there are two sets of rules for minor renovations like painting, installing flooring, kitchen countertops. If a shareholder obtains s contractor, deposits have to be made, insurance and license documents produced, agreements signed. If the Super or Maintenance Man is hired (on their own time) the Co-op ignores these requirements. Is this a sound business practice?

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My question on this is the Super or Maintenance Man a contractor with either a license and/or Certificates of Insurance for their companies? If they are hired, just like any other contractor in the building on their off time and something should go wrong or someone should get hurt, etc. it could put the building in a bad position. All contractors who are paid to do work in an apartment should carry insurance and name the building and the agent as additional insureds / certificate holders.

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Resident License Plates - NBYonkersCoop Apr 23, 2014

Hello!

A recent shareholder was informed by the Board and management that they need to change her out-of-state license plates to NY within 90 days. They're not taking it well at all, as you can imagine.

From my understanding, when you move into NY and purchase a home in the state you have 90 days to change your plates and driver's license. However, is it an insurance liability to the coop to have a vehicle parked in the lot with an out-of-state plate? Any experience/feedback is appreciated. I'm trying to formulate an appropriate response to the shareholder.

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It's none of their business. The shareholder could have other property out of state where they are registered, with lower insurance costs, etc. All that matters is that the car is registered, and insured. How, where, why is none of the Board's interest or business. The Coop insurance should not have any particulars on where a car is registered. All they care about is that it is properly insured while on the property. Once again, this is just Board busybodies at work, and overstepping their duties. There is an overabundance of Board members who substitute facts and knowledge for personal opinions, attitudes, and prejudices.

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If the shareholder in question has become a resident of New York State our understanding is the DMV typically requires that person to register his/ her vehicle in New York within 30 days.
Should the cooperative documents contain a provision that requires the shareholder does nothing illegal on co-op property, as our properties do, the 90 day timeline to register the vehicle in New York would seem appropriate on its face.
Should the shareholder be permitted maintain two residences---in this case, one in New York and one in another state---and the out-of-state address is the shareholder's primary residence, it then would seem the co-op's 90 day registration requirement is not appropriate.

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this seems very strange to me. if it's not a requirement in the house rules or the proprietary lease, they shouldn't have to do it. if it's in the house rules and they received them/signed that they read them prior to closing, they would have to do it, no matter how bizarre it seems to be.

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