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investors in a coop - sta Oct 06, 2008


how bad is it for a coop when "investors" start buying sponsor apartments in the building? Cons?

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Always better when you have resident owners. Sublets tend not to have a real interest in the building: how it looks, what's going on, etc. Having a higher percentage of resident owners is better for mortgage-seekers, too, I believe.

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Investors (holders of unsold shares) also do not need board approval to sell to other investors, or to sublet. If your co-op has sublet fees, they are also not subject to them.

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Especially now that we are going back into a time of very tight credit -- banks want to see a high percentage of owner-occupants, which investors will never be.

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PROS: If the investor is "designated by the Sponsor" (in the language
of the Offering Plan), this usually means that a guarantor is backing
up the deal in case of default. We actually had four such apartments
in our building -- all rent-controlled -- that were sold by the
sponsor to various investors under such an arrangement. In the dark
co-op days of the early 1990s, *all* of the investors defaulted.
Luckily, the guarantor (Fannie Mae) continued to pay maintenance
until the apartments were sold to new investors in the late 1990s.

This was especially important to our co-op because the sponsor
defaulted as well! The rent on the rent-controlled apartments
didn't even come close to covering their share of operating expenses,
so the shortfall would have come out of the pockets of our
shareholders if it weren't for Fannie Mae.

CONS: A true "Holder of Unsold Shares" requires no Board approval
to sell, sublet, or renovate the unit. The subletting issue is
usually the worst problem, since an investor can essentially
turn the apartment into a rental unit and there's nothing you
can do about it.

A sticky question remains unresolved: what happens if the shares
are sold to an investor *not* designated by the sponsor? Is that
follow-up investor *also* a Holder of Unsold Shares with the
right to bypass the Board on sale/sublet/renovations? For years,
guidelines from the Attorney General's office said that such a
person had no special rights, but this was overturned in 2005
in Kralik v. 239 E 79. Under Kralik, until a shareholder lives
in the apartment (for even a day), *any* investor is a Holder
of Unsold Shares.

Kralik was decided by New York's highest court (the Court of Appeals)
and remains the official standard. In 2007, however, the judge in
Sassi-Lehner v. Charlton Tenants Corp. ruled that the Offering Plan
was the "crucial cooperative document." This meant that only an
investor specifically designated by the sponsor -- typically with
a guarantor in place -- was a Holder of Unsold Shares. This makes
sense, as the co-op receives the benefit of a guarantor in exchange
for giving up its Board approval rights.

This is a messy issue and it may not have a definitive answer
any time soon. For the moment, it's probably best to assume
that any investor whatsoever will have special rights that are
not beneficial to the co-op.

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Oil buying group - Bronx coop board member Oct 06, 2008


Does anyone have experience with Pilgrim Oil as a source for heating oil? How is the service and prices? Thank you.

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New roof, any thoughts as to the appropriate roofing system - Anonymous Oct 03, 2008


Yes, we shall employ a suitable engineering firm to write the specifications to replace our roof. It is a flat 32,000 sq. ft. roof that has 36 waste pipe penetrations and are 36 air vent penetrations with exhaust fans (these vent kitchens and bathrooms).

May I have your feedback as to the efficacy and any issues posed by:
1. hot tar systems
2. cold tar systems
3. membrane systems.

Thanks much

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be careful to go with a company that has been around a long time. Many "roofing co's" change their name every few years so they dont have to honor warranties. Also, do NOT go to co's recommended by your managing agent - do your own research. Seriously, this is true.

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I am Resident Manager, and at my previous when i was a working superintendent we had to have our flat roof redone. The cheapest way is not always the best way. I like (Synthetic Membranes). The use of synthetic membranes has just about eliminated the need for gravel on roofs. Why? Because many of these new roof membranes are glued down to the roof sheathing. Not only that, the new membranes contain materials that resist UV degradation. If you can install a new flat roof without gravel, do it!

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We had a new roof installed about 4 years ago now - cold-rolled (synthetic membrane). Lots of protruding pipes. Process was smooth sailing and we have at least a 20-year warranty.

Be happy to give you more info if you're interested.

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If you are employing an engineering company for the replacement, these are the individuals whose brains should be picked. Ask why they favor one type of roof over another, etc. Also, what you discuss initially with the engineer will probably drive to a great extent the selection of the roof. If someone is looking for a green roof, then the engineer will recommend the green roof or will tell you why he/she does not favor it for your specific structure. If you say, you do not have much money to spend on your roof, your deck may be overlooked to a great extent and he/she may try to get a second layer if possible at a lesser cost.

Again, engineers will do the recommendation based on the prelliminary study and based on your initial conversation to ensure that the work that they will finally sign off pleases the customer and the budget. No sense in designing a rolls royce if you can only pay for a chevy.

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comments - mng agent 2 jobs - dan a Oct 01, 2008


How normal is it for a building manager to also be a commercial leasing broker for his same company? seems a little stretched for me.

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In my opinion, management companies, these days, appear to engage in many related businesses that enable them to increase revenue.

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The Bible says something like you cannot serve two masters at the same time... Well, being a leasing broker and a building manager may not be compatible in a co-op. This may be okay for a rental, in which the leasing office may be under the property manager's scope. Again, a manager's role must be specified by the contract. Management companies may have their own real estate, commercial leasing brokers, etc, but you have to make sure that your manager provides the support to the property that you expect. Let other members of the same organization to run the leasing aspect if these departments are divided and you sign the contract to represent you.

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very juicy late fee quesitons - ted Oct 01, 2008


does anyone know if this is illegal?

Our monthly bills usually list late fees as a separate line-item: 'late
charge'.

If this portion of the bill remains unpaid into a second or third
month it generally continues to be listed separately from the monthly
"maintenance" portion.

Recently, there was a bill where a late fee (in dispute) appeared
initially on the first month as a "late charge" but then appeared on
the second month listed as "Maintenance." This seems irregular and
possibly inappropriate. Can you roll a late fee like this ?

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how about the statement below? (from an article) and what would the current interest rate be?

Care must be given, however, to ensure that the proprietary lease authorizes those particular charges, otherwise the co-op opens itself up to counter-claims by the shareholder and for his or her legal fees, if the shareholder is successful.

The most common abuse by co-ops is the inclusion of cumulative late charges, such as $25 the first month, $50 the second month, $75 the third month and so on.

This type of late charge structure violates not only most proprietary leases (which provide that late fees can only be charged equal to the maximum legal rate of interest), but also violates usury laws. Since the purpose of the rent demand, or "Notice to Cure," is to afford the shareholder the opportunity to determine the claim’s accuracy, only those charges which are legal and permissible should be included in the notice.



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New Super: Recomendations - HubertG Sep 30, 2008


We are looking for an honest, reputable, and competent live-in Super. Along with overseeing the (small) staff, this is a hands on job.

We are a 100 unit CoOp on the East side of NY. We were very happy with our last Super, who left on very good terms, for a bigger job.

Our MangAgent indicates that there is a shortage of good, qualified supers in NYC. But, that was what we were told last time, and our last Super proved them wrong.

Any referrals would be appriciated.

Thank you,,, HG

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Do you have staff that may be ready for promotion?

With a little help from your management company, a good porter/handy man that may have worked side by side with your previous super and had learned a lot about your particular building may be a good fit and would warrant a look.

Then you just need to replace the porter.

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Thank you but no, we dont have anyone on staff that can fill this position.

This is a great job, its hard to believe that its so difficult to find qualified applicants.

HG

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Here's a resource to explore http://www.nysupersclub.org/ for job postings at http://www.nysupersclub.org/jobssupers.htm.

Good luck!

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I may be to help you out with some Superintendents. If you would like to call me at 212-319-8375 I can set you up with some resumes. I am presently the President of the Manhattan Resident Managers Club, Inc. and I always have members that are looking another position.

Mike MacGowan

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I was featured in a habitat article last january The Super Man!

joeshkreli@yahoo.com is my e-mail address I have a great network of honest and Very handy people.I am a Resident Manager with great leads that can make you very happy. My last position when i left i made sure the board knew that they were not just hiring a new employee, but they were bringing a stranger into their home to live with them.So please contact me with any questions or concerns. I enjoy helping people.

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Joe, Thank you for your response. We did hire a Super (refered by our prev Super) but I will keep your Emial address... The number of unqualified applicants was surprising. And our Mang Agent was of very little help..

Thank you HG

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Bicycle Storage - Newbie Sep 28, 2008


We have space in the basement for storage for some (not all) of the bicycles used/owned by shareholders. I'd be interested in hearing how other buildings manage this amenity -- including, among other things, who gets to store his/her bike there, for how long, is there a fee or is it free, how do you handle requests for storage that cannot be accommodated, what kind of bike racks do you use and how well do they work.

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In my building the shareholder asks me (Resident Manager) and I put them on the waiting list. If their is a space available I assign them a hook number and then management charges them $10.00 per month on their maintenance.

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we charge $4 a month. Keeping it affordable. IMPORTANT - you need some horizontle storage as not everyone can lift a heavy bike. we forgot to do this and then had to re-do it so th people with back problems did not have to lift their bike.

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Our building uses vertical storage - you can get a lot more bikes hanging from hooks than in racks in the same space. Fees are monthly, charged on maintenance bill. Haven't run out of hooks yet...

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Could you tell me how much you charge?

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Investing Reserve Fund - Paul Sep 28, 2008


In the current economic environment, what are the recommended vehicles in which to have your reserve fund invested?

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Be buy nothing but government securities with differing maturity dates as befits our fiduciary responsibility.

We never play craps with our shareholders funds.

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Managing Agent needed - gm Sep 27, 2008


I am looking for an honest, reputable, and competent managing agent. Any referrals.
GM

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Try contacting Ira Meister at Matthew Adam Properties, Inc. 127 East 59th Street NYC 10022 (212) 699-8900

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Amazing -- I was just about to recommend Matthew Adam Properties myself. We've been with them a little over two years and we find them outstanding. They're total pros and very friendly people.

Naturally, every building is different, and if you're seriously thinking about changing management, you should get recommendations from a number of sources. Follow up in detail and be prepared to spend a lot of time on the search; it's an arduous process.

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Try calling Greg Cohen or Stuart Halper at Impact Mgt. 718-898-0190. We are a community that is almost 30 years old and have been thru many, many management companies. We have recently renewed out contract with them.

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The Argo Corporation.

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Veritas Property Management 212-799-2365 ask for Carl Borenstein. They are the best out of all 3 management companies we went through over a 3 year period.

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I am a former Management Company Executive and perform this service on a consultancy basis. We will evaluate your management needs and prepare a Request for Proposal for you to send out to several management companies for evaluation. We will do all the leg work and narrow the field to a company that would be a good fit for you. Receiving recommendations from readers may be a good start but will leave your board with lots of leg work for you.Please email Jeff @ PJrealtyservices.com

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late fee on a late fee - sta Sep 26, 2008


anyone heard of this>? our rather horrible managing agent charged a late fee on an unpaid late fee - it seems wrong. In addition, the now term this "maintenence" on the bill and are not using the term late fee as they did before. something is not right.

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Typically, the lease and even the by-laws stipulate the "fee" for failure to make payment in a timely manner.

We have felt, at times, we wish to increase the fee for each month "late", e.g.: $25, first month, $50 second month, etc., but our corporate counsel has indicated that we are thwarted by the wording of our proprietary lease.

By the way, our monthly arrears total rarely, if ever, exceeds 1.5% of our projected monthly income.

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